Get a Mac and be poor...Get a PC and get rich!

Above comment FTW!

Yea it's pretty much what I expected. I will most likely upgrade my tablet to Windows 7 because of the multitouch, but unless they offer a compelling upgrade plan from Vista to 7, I probably won't do it right away for my desktop PC.

I hate grouping, it requires one additional click and time to figure out where you want to click. But I'm pretty sure they'll have an option to disable it and return to the classic taskbar.

Other than that, it looks good but more stuff should be added (or changed for the better.)

the article is prety good but you should have provided more visual options on the articles so that we can go ahead and look at how most of the features in the OS looks like.


thank u!

What does the Windows 7 Media Center look like? Can you take a screenshot of that so we can see if there are any updates?

Thanks a bunch.

WMC is the same for now. No noticeable changes.

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

diz waz vry gud than vistaaaaa

it looks 2222222 cute

as soon as i Will Get this

Yo you guys are crazy this is just a rip off of a mac fucking windows blows everyone knows it viruses crash crash crash and they try to steal macs ideas just like bill gates has always done steal from steve jobs and take the ideas and try to make it his own but he cant because he aint shit

to Rahul: You shouldn't be awake so soon/late. This makes you look stupid.

Yes, this is a rip-off of a Mac. Some nice features added (the Show Desktop button), lot of gloss added and MAYBE modularity of the OS core added. I like that. If they're going to have a discount for students, I'm in.

P.S. Yes, I use Vista.

P.P.S. The Media Center screenshots are already out: http://img.aktualne.centrum.cz/153/41/1534101-windows-7.jpg

First of all FRIDGE i live in london so i was not awake that late fool and secondly it is not and never will be better than os x and it cant be, and not to say anything but i worked on dos all the way down to vista and my computer crashed and thats y i have a mac and i havent had one crash or virus in a year so u tell me how can miroshit make a better version of a mac when its just a rip off or using multi-touch which may have been around for years but mac brought it on their computers and made it the best and easiest and as they say if u want the real thing then buy it not a knock off of it and windows was and always will be a knockoff of a mac so dont tell me how windows is good cause it aint they all are the same crap wether it looks like a mac or not its still crap

Note to Rahul, colorful metaphor look bad and I do not like them too much, so could you please avoid them. Crap is OK though. You can keep that. It is used almost all the time by Strong Bad. You can have fun with him at www.homestarrunner.com. I was once told that colorful metaphors/profanity/swearing/cussing/whatever you want to call it makes your vocabulary seem poor. As for Windows being a rip-of of Mac OS X. I could possibly see it being like that to a certain degree. But the thing that I always find myself talking about is, and I will talk about it again, the accessibility options. Rahul, could you send me a WAV file of VoiceOver saying a simple keystroke such as "Tab"? Good question, eh? I can send you WAV files of Narrator doing that since its beginning! As for Magnifier and On-Screen Keyboard, I do not believe that Mac OS [including Leopard] offers those at all. There is one thing that I will give Apple credit for that Microsoft has not done yet (unless they do it in Windows 7) (doubtful) is this. VoiceOver does announce keyboard shortcuts. If you press Command-C, VoiceOver does indeed say "Copy." Narrator does not do that [at least not as of Windows Vista]. Vista's does, however, echo almost all keystrokes that you could ever hope for. I cannot recall the last time that I heard VoiceOver say something like "right arrow" when I used it. I guess another annoyance with VoiceOver that Narrator does not do is not be focus specific. What I mean is this. VoiceOver will indeed announce letters and numbers when it is in focus. Good luck finding VoiceOver echoing your keystrokes in something like AppleWorks or pages though. That isn't going to happen [that I am aware of anyway]. At least I do not believe that it did the last time I used it (which was in Leopard even), so that covers that. As for graphics, Windows' graphics have caught up to those of Mac OS, but they are better even. Take good old Chess for example. Mac OS has a bland 2 dimentional version of it [though it does announce the computer's moves, which is interesting and Chess Titans does not do.] Mac OS' is possibly not actually 2D, but it certainly does not look at advanced as Vista's Chess Titans in the graphics aspect. Chess Titans, however, is a 3D rendered game that allows the board to be rotated via right clicking. Also, there are a lot more games released for Windows than Mac OS anyway. I have a hunch that that is likely not going to change with Windows 7. In fact, if Windows 7 is indeed as good as it is sounding [and looking], then game releases may even increase for Windows [and potentially decrease for Mac OS].

why should we think this pos is going to be any better than vista. Vista sucks this is just a last moment idea to make them look good.
Dont get me wrong thay make some good stuff like the zune and xbox...but lets face it now matter who your are when you think about we all know Windows just sucks.

First of all cursing does not mean that i have a bad vocabulary it just means that im angry or hat this pos microshit which i have worked on since i was a baby literally i have had ms-dos since i was 4 i have seen every single windows every made and every one gets worse and worse same kernels same registry dll hell not one real innovation just copying what is on mac or linux or another os so if you ask me i think that mac is superior in all ways shapes or forms, and vista and windows 7 use the same shit form mac your search bar is basically spotlight, gadgets is widgets, front row is media center, can i name more and the dock is what they are stealing now multi-touch another stolen thing from mac maybe its the screen but doesn't change the fact that the idea and the concept was mac, lets see what else did mac do first they actually came with a video game system before xbox it didn't sell so they got out then microsoft decides to make one a few years latter how cute still copying mac even if the idea didn't work, Bill Hates is a Greedy Man who wouldn't know innovation if it hit him in the ass at least steve jobs makes products that no one in the world could think of and that people buy like crazy cause they are good well built work good and don't crash like the competitions products

In the case of stealing, I guess that Linus Torvalds was a thief also (assuming that Mac OS was released before Linux). I guess that Adobe is a thief too. Compare SoundBooth to GarageBand. BTW, on the GarageBand subject. One thing that Apple does not [and I repeat does not] do is backward compatibility. I made something in GarageBand in Leopard and tried to open it on Tiger, but it did not open due to a newer version of GarageBand. I do not recall having that issue with Windows too often. In fact, I have a game that was made for Windows 95 on my Windcows Vista machine and it works great. It is Jazz Jackrabbit 2. You may have played it. That is not to say that that never happens with Windows. In fact, I have a patch for another older game called Rayman (which you may have also played) that works great on Windows XP, but it does not work on Vista. For the most part though, most of my programs that I used in XP have worked just fine with Vista. I am not sure if you could take a Tiger-made project and open it in Leopard or vice versa. Obviously, I mentioned the GarageBand thing, but there may be other things that do that, I am not sure. As for the swearing, I am not sure what to say about that other than could you please refrain from using it. As for the disliking of your position, perhaps you should retire from it then. That way, you will not have to dislike it because you will not have it.

Calm down boys..

Nice "tricks". Hope they will include WinFS.

I like the old Taskbar system better, you know the one from windowsXP and whatnot. i just liked the way it looked and behaved. i also like the Windows 2000 look better as well.

ok and yeah things in mac are backwards compatible duhhhhhhh universal binary all built on bsd linux which is strict guide to unix, and if not thats cause they actually rebuild the code and make it better unlike windows that is still using the nt kernel since like 95 duh nothing has changed with windows making it the easiest to hack and break and very easy to destroy making it not better but the same shit from 95 cause 64 bit computing has been around for years

@Rahul
Though you are a troll, and I very much don't wish to feed you, it seems I must. You clearly do not know anything about the Windows OS. I have had enough hearing that MS copied from Apple, they did not. In fact, many of the features in Leopard were copied from Vista. The new taskbar is actually inspired by Windows 1.0 - Microsoft has stated this. Why are you so certain that Mac is better? Because it is more secure, or that it crashes less? Reality check. Hackers have been getting closer and closer to compromising the security of OS X, all the while Windows is getting significantly more secure. Also, you do realize that Windows has to work on a seemingly infinite number of hardware configurations while OS X only has to work on proprietary Apple hardware, perhaps that's why OS X crashes less? People need to realize that no OS is better than the other, only better for some people. Just like any choice in live, it comes down to personal taste.

Is it me or was Vista just a filler Os just like Windows ME? Same buggy os and no fixes? Still using xp to this date.

Oh and by the way. Macs are just as buggy as pcs and you know it. And also there are over 100 verified virii swimming around the mac world. So next time you want to act like a 2 year old and spout off about being a macboy, do your research and keep your comments to yourself.

how i found this windows os 7 pls help me or send me the download link 4 that

@Rahul

apple fanboy...

Personally, I think that the new OS looks neat. The new color scheme is quite a contrast to Vista, but hey, it still looks nice. As for the taskbar, way to go! There will be more real estate on that kind of taskbar! Awesome
The question that pops into my mind though is this. "What will be the next thing for Microsoft to not name?" (or at least show names for)? BTW, does anyone know if the Flip-3D still exists in Windows 7? Also, can someone explain to me how the gadget enabled desktop works. Is that a term to replace the term "desktop icons," or is it actually formatted differently. I am also curious if Windows 7 uses yet another file system name. For example, there was FAT, then FAT32, then NTFS. I wonder if Windows 7 will have yet another name. BTW, could someone refresh my memory as to what WinFS is again. I believe that I read it somewhere, but I have forgotten what it is.

BTW, thanks for you comments to Rahul, Zero. I hope that he does leave [not to discredit him, but for his own good and the good of the forum]. His swearing bugs me. Most of the time I can [and do] ignore it because some people will do that and it cannot be stopped; however, he has gone overboard with it. Other than that, I think that he and the rest of us could potentially have an awful lot of fun debating about Windows and Mac OS.

ok bitches im back and yet again u people are fools i will say it once and only once the whole fucking internet runs on unix mac being a unix based system meaning much more reliable and stable then fucking windows u people are so dumb not to realize that windows is only big cause of marketing thats all every smart software developer knows that all systems have flaws but their is a reason why unix has been around for 40 some years and osx was not copied from vista dumbass it was made from the nextstep basis which was suppressed by microshit and for that microshit copied the original os from mac making it their own either way mac is much mor superior and people who are smart will eventually see that but people who are ignorant and unwilling to except something better will never ever learn that mac will and always will be more stable less buggy and much easier and better to use with much more features that u will see in windows years later and if u do they will be fucked up and not working correctly like vista

I've seen Mac OS run smoother than Vista on a PC :/
Things do occasionally crash on Mac. But rarely does whole system go down.
As for the hacking, and malware. I've never seen a virus that affected Mac OS. Only read about them.

I know, I myself have installed OS X on my pc. It's not that bad, and works smoothly if one has correct drivers and knows what they are doing. As for the security of OS X, it is not impenetrable, no OS is. Some researchers have even found that OS X has more vulnerabilities than Vista. Is that not proof that Windows is getting better? Oh, and I have used the new taskbar - it is NOTHING like the dock, more like giving quick launch big icons and then associating the windows with said icons.

Do you have one of the development builds of Windows 7, Zero? Perhaps some people that have used it have already made skins based on it.

I would like to reply to all windows haters here: GET A LIFE. Arguing about stupid things. Just use the kind of software you like and shut up. Nobody forces someone like "Rahul" to use windows.

I've had windows XP installed on my computer for 3 years and had NO problem - not a single virus. Damn, I don't even have anti-virus installed anymore. How is that possible? DO NOT VISIT SUSPICIOUS websites. These include porn and hackers' websites. That's all. Use your computer wisely and take responsibility for the content you are browsing for. If you are stupid enough to open unidentified attachment from your e-mail or like jerking off to some sick porn on the web, well, IT'S YOUR FAULT and you deserve to get your computer screwed.

As to the arguments about who stole from whom... I don't give a f*** about who came up with a certain idea or improvement. If I like a certain feature, I will use it regardless of who came up with an idea. For all I know Mac bloody expensive, so I choose PC and windows for its combination of cheap price and great features (not necessarily excellent features), which really make the most useful operating system to date.

If OSX was so mighty and great back in the day, maybe they would be coined as responsible for the internet era. But it isn't. Why? Because OSX didn't do a thing but sit in MS's shadow for years. There's a reason why Windows is the leading OS. Sure there are hiccups, but in time you'll start seeing these same hiccups with the trendy MAC.

Macs are great, but you guys are just ridiculously blinded by "HI IM A MAC" ads.

Well this is simple and easy, if your a nerd and dont like games to play online, go with a mac, if u game and do alot of other stuff, u cant do nothing with Mac at all but serch the net, cant play games or anything, and yes Vista is a good windows u can do everything with it, i run Ultimate 64 bit and i have no problems at all and i can do what i want with it, iam not limited to what i can do Like Mac is. i can play any game i like. cant play army games cant play any online games on a mac. Mac is for nerds that dont do anything but surf the net, cant do what u want to, like u can with windows.

I suppose some of this can go back to that old addage of "If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything at all." As for some of JAYBIRD's comments, I would agree. I have also talked about the gaming to a certain extent. My comparison was between Apple's Chess game to Microsoft's Chess Titans (a Vista game). I saw a screenshot of Windows 7's Calculator application and it looks interesting. It looks more like a finance calculator. That is kind of neat. I am kind of curious about Windows 7's games. I am curious how they have changed, if at all, and if there are any new games. Perhaps Pinball has made a return! That would be nice! Something else that would be awesome and I could possibly spend hours with is if they remake Gorillas and Nibbles! Wow, I miss those games. Sure, I have played clones of each of them, but for some reason, they do not feel quite as good as the originals. But, doesn't that happen with plenty of things though? I guess that, on the whole, I am just anxious to try Windows 7. One thing that I am not sure of is whether it will be like Vista where a machine [perhaps running Vista already, such as the one that I am using] can just be upgraded to Windows 7 or if the hard drive would have to backed up and wiped first. I would imagine that they will probably provide an upgrade path for it. That only makes sense.

only other thing is maybe all the people dont like vista or the new windows to come, u need to try to upgrade your computers to run the bigger windows and stuff, it doesnt mean that Vista is bad or windows 7, u have to stay up with the new stuff, that means, upgrade to run whats new, i have Ultimate 64 bit, and i have 1 TB HD and 8 gb of memory and 3x 8800 GTX 768 MB cards i have a core 2 ExTreme 3.4 prosesor 3 Asus Burners for Blue ray or any other burnings i like to do. like i said before u have to Stay with the times, and upgrade to run the more advanced stuff, mines more then enough for a long time to come. but u can upgrade to make things run the newer stuff, if u have the newset stuff it will run anything u install on it. like i have, or less mines a overkill, but iam a hardcore GAMER.

I have used OS 9, windows 98, XP, Vista, all versions of OS X, and I have to say that it would have to rank in stability like this. low to high. 98, OS 9, OS X, Vista, XP. I have far more trouble with my mac than I do with my PC and this has been the case for years

@Caleb
I am running build 6801 of Windows 7. So far it is both faster and just as stable as Vista SP1, yet it is only a pre-beta. That is impressive. Although the new taskbar is hidden in this build, it is in there. I just did a quick google search and found that someone found a way to enable an early version of the new taskbar in the build. I will say that it is much better than what I thought it would be, and I think it will impress a lot of people. I, like you, was anxious to use Windows 7, so I am one of the people who obtained the build by lesser means when it was leaked on the net. Though I did find a way to activate it, so I have until late 2009 to use it and I am no different then any of the official beta testers in the eyes of Microsoft, as my copy is "genuine" to them.

wow macs are so much better

To Zero:
That sounds quite nice. With the stability being as good as you described it, then Windows 7 with a Service Pack would definitely be phenomenal. As for the copy of the OS itself, I would suspect that you probably could not just upgrade the computer though. I suppose that, since I do not have a copy of Windows 7, I am uncertain as to if you would have to reload. I definitely do not like the idea of having to reload, but I guess that it is probably not the worst thing to have happen.
To Ellipsis:
Hmm, that is an interesting name, Ellipsis. I guess that is how people do Anonymous now, eh? That is strange. Hmm, I just thought of something, anonymous means without a name, but that is because an- means without and onym means name, interesting. I believe some of the suffixes, such as -ous have meanings as well, but I cannot think of them off the top of my head at the moment. I suppose that is not extremely relevant at this point either.

@Caleb
When I finished burning the disk for Windows 7, there was an option to upgrade from my copy of Vista, but I just did a clean install instead. I haven't used it that much, but some of the little changes really do make a HUGE difference in the experience.

I have never really understood the whole Mac vs PC (Windows) thing. I mean I would understand you being passionate about it if you were collecting a paycheck from one of these respective companies but the profanity and name calling?.. What are you 12.. get a life.

Let me give you this view of the whole Mac vs Windows drama. I work in IT and I am certified in Mac, Windows and Cisco products. I support about 6,000 end users over the entire US. Of the total users; 1,236 are Macs and of that; 874 are the most current models (Intel chips and Leopard OS). We also have several Linux machines as well. Here is what I can tell you.. they all screw up!!!. I get virus in both Macs, PCs and Linux. I get hardware failures in Macs, PCs and Linux. Last but not least... I get Crashes/BSODs in Macs, PCs and windows (blue informational screens on Macs). At home I have all of the above and haven't had an issue with any of them and that includes my Vista64 machine. The moral is its electronic and more than likely your going to have an issue with it at some time or another. Just choose the computer and OS you like best and have a happy life and quite giving free promo to the respective computer companies.

Because the really stupid thing in all of this is the fact that your on here promoting someones product for free!!!!

well i downloaded windows 7 and i burnt it to dvd and i cant even get it to work run or install. how do u make this work ?

Does anyone know if Windows 7 is going to come in 32- and 64-bit versions? I would imagine that it would. That makes sense. I have Vista Ultimate x64 installed on my machine, but I am not using it because I had to reload it and I no longer have Office installed on it. I have Office 2007 on my 32-bit OS though [but I am contemplating buying a lisence for Office and moving back to the 64-bit because I would like the 64-bit version of Windows 7 (once the beta is released).)

Hmm, I did not seem to find a way to buy a license for the edition of Office that I have [Enterprise].

Why bother? Let M$ to think how to speed up Vista. In the meantime you can use Linux instead. Why because it's working at least for me. :)

Make it run slow (Vista is to fast- if you have more than 1gb)
Have more popup questions like Vista.
Also make it harder to find network, wireless and other settings...

Mmmm, do the reverse and all will be well ;-)

Alex.

@Celeb
Windows 7 is said t be the last windows version to be shipped in both 32 and 64 bit

I guess then that versions of Windows after Windows 7 will only be 64-bit. Interesting
To Footprint
As for Linux, I have already tried that and it does not work on my computer [at least not correctly].

@Caleb
What versions of Linux have you tried? I have tried quite a few. Of ones that I like are PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu. I'm also going to try Linux Mint and Mandriva One 2009. And I currently have about 7 iso files of lightweight linux distributions trying to figure out which one to resurrect my old laptop with.

Oh my god *-*

I have tried Ubuntu. It was a no go.

I'm currently running a copy of Windows 7 that I received from a friend that went to the PDC. As of yet I have installed Firefox, Itunes, Office 2007, PDF-Viewer, and Safari. So far, so good! The only problem I had was during installation. I was getting a BSOD within about 20min of starting the install! I'm not sure how but the drivers for the video card were causing a loop error, and restarting the pc. I had to swap out the HD2600 that was in there and install an old x1050. After that the installation was fine. I updated the drivers online from within Windows 7. Then reinstalled the HD2600 card and all was well again. I've been up and running tests for 36 hrs now with no errors or concerns!

P.S. to all the Macboys/Haters: I've used everything from Mac and Microsoft. Both are pretty good, and both have their uses.

P.S.S. OMG is the swearing in these comments necessary? I must admin it caught me by surprise!

I've installed vista and i hated it. Very Hug Hardware usage and a little more visual effects. I've turned back to Xp and after many days I've decided to turn to linux forever.
Now I tell you that have some more visual effects like a new taskbar or a shiny system tray or even a start menu with a Miki Mouse smile on it! It is not the thing users expect Microsoft to do. User like me expect Microsoft to correct its file system to have user privileges seperated for each file and folder. Have Root User that can install applications and another users that can only write to their My Documents Folder. I think wehter you add many visual effects in your new Version we still must plug in a USB Flash Disk in our PC's and what? An Autorun.ini file can automaticly and very very scilently burn our PCs and our datas all as fast as posible without even a warning from system!
I think microsoft shuld disable Autorun forever or at least new windows run autoruns with lower privilages.
Microsoft shuld prevent any application like Web ActiveX controls or Autoruns or just a folder.htt script file to burn out the hole system and leave the user tons of crap on harddisk like:
new folder.exe
recycled.exe
autoply.exe
autothis.exe
autothat.exe
autoshit.exe
autodamn.exe!
And all you have done is to add a new effect to taskbar? Oh My God!

I've installed vista and i hated it. Very Hug Hardware usage and a little more visual effects. I've turned back to Xp and after many days I've decided to turn to linux forever.
Now I tell you that have some more visual effects like a new taskbar or a shiny system tray or even a start menu with a Miki Mouse smile on it! It is not the thing users expect Microsoft to do. User like me expect Microsoft to correct its file system to have user privileges seperated for each file and folder. Have Root User that can install applications and another users that can only write to their My Documents Folder. I think wehter you add many visual effects in your new Version we still must plug in a USB Flash Disk in our PC's and what? An Autorun.ini file can automaticly and very very scilently burn our PCs and our datas all as fast as posible without even a warning from system!
I think microsoft shuld disable Autorun forever or at least new windows run autoruns with lower privilages.
Microsoft shuld prevent any application like Web ActiveX controls or Autoruns or just a folder.htt script file to burn out the hole system and leave the user tons of crap on harddisk like:
new folder.exe
recycled.exe
autoply.exe
autothis.exe
autothat.exe
autoshit.exe
autodamn.exe!
And all you have done is to add a new effect to taskbar? Oh My God!

I've installed vista and i hated it. Very Hug Hardware usage and a little more visual effects. I've turned back to Xp and after many days I've decided to turn to linux forever.
Now I tell you that have some more visual effects like a new taskbar or a shiny system tray or even a start menu with a Miki Mouse smile on it! It is not the thing users expect Microsoft to do. User like me expect Microsoft to correct its file system to have user privileges seperated for each file and folder. Have Root User that can install applications and another users that can only write to their My Documents Folder. I think wehter you add many visual effects in your new Version we still must plug in a USB Flash Disk in our PC's and what? An Autorun.ini file can automaticly and very very scilently burn our PCs and our datas all as fast as posible without even a warning from system!
I think microsoft shuld disable Autorun forever or at least new windows run autoruns with lower privilages.
Microsoft shuld prevent any application like Web ActiveX controls or Autoruns or just a folder.htt script file to burn out the hole system and leave the user tons of crap on harddisk like:
new folder.exe
recycled.exe
autoply.exe
autothis.exe
autothat.exe
autoshit.exe
autodamn.exe!
And all you have done is to add a new effect to taskbar? Oh My God!

I've installed vista and i hated it. Very Hug Hardware usage and a little more visual effects. I've turned back to Xp and after many days I've decided to turn to linux forever.
Now I tell you that have some more visual effects like a new taskbar or a shiny system tray or even a start menu with a Miki Mouse smile on it! It is not the thing users expect Microsoft to do. User like me expect Microsoft to correct its file system to have user privileges seperated for each file and folder. Have Root User that can install applications and another users that can only write to their My Documents Folder. I think wehter you add many visual effects in your new Version we still must plug in a USB Flash Disk in our PC's and what? An Autorun.ini file can automaticly and very very scilently burn our PCs and our datas all as fast as posible without even a warning from system!
I think microsoft shuld disable Autorun forever or at least new windows run autoruns with lower privilages.
Microsoft shuld prevent any application like Web ActiveX controls or Autoruns or just a folder.htt script file to burn out the hole system and leave the user tons of crap on harddisk like:
new folder.exe
recycled.exe
autoply.exe
autothis.exe
autothat.exe
autoshit.exe
autodamn.exe!
And all you have done is to add a new effect to taskbar? Oh My God!

I'm sorry for repeat my comments many times i just think that is was not sent and pressed submit button again and again:D
Please erase repeated commments and leave the first.
Thank you Microsoft!

@Ario
First, this website is not run by Microsoft. Second, I can tell that you have never run Vista. If you would have, you would know that Vista does not autorun the autorun files, but instead gives you a choice such as viewing the contents of the drive/cd or using the autorun file. I am a believer in the Mojave experiment, so many people bash Vista without using it.

As I review the new Windows, I do not care for the new taskbar, I do not like how the icons appear on the taskbar - I like the existing Vista setup. I do like the new orb though! With all of this said, there is no way I will ever buy Windows 7, because of its visual setup - the features do not matter to me - if it looks like that, it is enough to turn me away. I suggest buying an apple if you like that look. also noted some similarities between Vista's Aero interface and that of Apple's Aqua interface for the Mac OS X operating system.

Don't forget Beryl [Linux].

Hmm, that looks interesting. The window looks like a piece of paper lying flat on a table or something. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Windows_7_Build_6967.png
I guess that is part of Windows 7's visual interface to make it slightly different from Vista's, eh?

For all out there that likes to dislike things before the full program is out and u havent tried it, go back to 95 windows. quit complaning, Try it before dislikeing. KIDS

I am just curious, how does someone go about obtaining a pre-beta release of an OS? I guess you would have to either have gone to the conference about it or, like someone mentioned, be a good friend of someone who did.

@GayBird...
Windows 95 is well and truely past its sell by date.
I'm 30 and I'm no way a kid. I'm just curious, its a natural fact in human sociology, that is, if you went to school, or may be you still are at school?

@Aric...
You said that they haven't done much but added effects to the task bar, as others have said, either you haven't used Windows Vista/7 or you have a PC that can't cope with futuristic technologies like Windows Vista/7. Windows Vista/7 doesn't come with the stupid Autorun included in eXPerience and Linux.

Windows 7 has lots of new features, and a kernel that's actually the same size as Minix, the libraries are big, yes, for one obviou reason, Windows Vista/7 does everything, most idiots resort to the desktop, but there's so many programs that solve tasks, Microsoft have to hide them so the OS doesn't look bulky.
Checked out KDE 4.0 yet, it's nowhere near as good as Windows 7's SuperBar, it'd take me five minutes to make that in .NET, whereas Windows 7's SuperBar is very hard to make. We now have MinWin, Windows 7 has gone very far since a year. Linux has only had 26 kernels, Windows NT has had 312! Shiny Windows is way better than porcelain penguins, at least Windows lets the light go through. Penguin teddy bears are for KIDS.

@nd at all other Linux Trolls...
This is a third-party website, read the bottom of the page first!
XP is still better than Linux!
You still haven't got into your thick skulls, low code size means less features! Linux has a small code size thus is not very good/functional. Windows NT has a larger code size thus is very good/functional. At least Microsoft doesn't stuff all the kernel programs into one file and say it doesn't have a lot of external-kernel resources, it does, just they shoved it into one file to make it easier to program (because all the programmers still study/teach at a high-glory, low-budget US university that's as pointless as Javascript).

This is a Windows 7 site, end of story, DON'T TROLL!
Don't begrudge Windows Vista and 7 for XP, XP is old now, despite the years you had to keep it and were bored so you went Linux, Vista got released, and 7 will be soon. So don't kick Vista out until you've tried it, and when I say tried it, one NEW hardware, that's what it is designed. It's like using VCR when you have DVD!

Windows 7 is out now - yes it is, time will fly and one day this statement will be true!

@Caleb
Most people agree that the picture is a fake, don't expect 7 to look like it.

I am guessing that is a reference to the one that was in the Wikipedia article. In that case, perhaps the visual interface may not change much in that aspect (meaning the Flip-3D may still exist and some similar items).

HELLO!!!!!!!!
Mac os x is based on unix, so of course apple will have a head start.
Windows however, have made their OS completely their OWN!!!!!!!
Windows haven't copied from an OS made by developer's over the year's. I use mac, vista and xp simultaneously and even though mac does look a little snazzy, it is not anywhere near as cool as vista or xp, and hasn't anywhere near the amount of feature's!!! Which explains why mac loads so fast. Because it's got crap all to load!!!
AND mac's severely over priced, you can't get a mac for anything under $1000, where as the laptop i'm using now cost me $650!(acer aspire 5315. Spec's don't look to good but it does the job if you're not a gamer.((although upgrading the RAM is probably a must)))

No offense to mac though :), it does the job if you're really basic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And unfortunately most of the people that visit this site aren't basic.

umm yea, to them stupid people, the screen shots are real because I have Windows 7 so shove it and Mac's are better because there are no dll's or any registry and are pretty much virus proof. So who cares about who copied from what? It works and people like it rite?

Actually, I did use Visual Basic when I programmed, I did use basic HTML in Web Design, and I played Gorillas and Nibbles an awful lot (though most of us probably have) LOL (a play on your part about people being basio)! As for the context that you used it in, I am probably above most of my peers when it comes to strict computer knowledge. As for features of Mac OS, that is true. There are not nearly as many games for Mac OS and its accessibility accessories (there are those two words again) are lacking. VoiceOver is a thing that makes you want to possibly throw your computer at the nearest wall [OK, so maybe not, but I do not care for it so much, but that is mainly because its level of advancement is lacking compared to that of Narrator.] (Narrator can be hillarious to just listen to at times! VoiceOver, not so much because it does not announce much!) (Here is a challenge: Send me a wav in which VoiceOver announces anything other than numbers, punctuation, or letters.) I suppose that Narrator is shortcut announcing challenged though. VoiceOver does announce keyboard shortcuts (such as copy and paste), but Narrator does not. Perhaps that will be overcome in Windows 7, or shall I say, have been overcome in Windows 7 (as there is a pre-beta being used by people now) That would be ninteresting (Hmm, a new word. Nice interesting = Ninteresting) I also looked for a magnifier and on-screen keyboard for Mac OS and found neither one. I also find myself frustrated at times when I press Shift (but do not hold it down) to capitalize a letter and it does not happen. Thanks for excluding Sticky Keys, Apple! Picture capture is also more difficult. No Print Screen and no Snipping Tool, hmm
I hope that my post makes sense.

wow i like how this looks and most likely, the windows media player has a dvd-video burning feature!!!

i like that alot i think i wont buy vista and wait for windows 7 =]

Do you think that you will be able to wait that long? Hehe
There will probably not be a public beta of Windows 7 released until sometime next year. Granted, it is November, but even still, the beta will probably not be available until sometime next year.

While It Is True That Vista Is More Secure Than XP.
I Do Not Like Vista And Maybe Even Windows 7 As I Am Use To XP And
Do Not Like The New Features In Vista As They Are Useless To Me.
Vista Came On My Recent eMachines PC But After Trying It For A Few Days I Went Back To Ole Faithful And Will Hate It When XP Is Obsolete. I Have Windows XP SP3 5512 RTM Build And Love The Way It Looks And Acts 99.7 Percent Of The Time. I Have Tried A Few Linux Distros But Like Vista I Do Not Want To Learn A New OS And Linux Is Too Hard To Figure Out. I Am Still Learning How To Do More With XP And I Wish They Would Come Out With A Cleaner OS Like XP. Nobody Needs So Many Bells And Wistles And Vista Takes Up My 1GB RAM But Thats All I Have Right Know. I Am Thinking Of Buying A Quad Core PC Off eBay For $500 With 4 GB Of RAM And $250 Or More HDD Space So I Might Decide To Give Windows 7 A Try When That Time Comes. Right Now I Agree That XP Is Best For The Majority Of People Who Do Not Like Vista. Let Me Know When Windows 7 Is Released As I Can Always Reformat My Drive Back
To XP If Need Be. P.S. Bill Gates Is Not That Bad Is He ??? I Know He Is Greedy But I Do Not See You Programming A OS. "CHILL"

Something that would be funny: The next posters (after this one) have names with the other pieces. McPawn, McKing, McQueen, etc. That would be kind of interesting. It probaably won't happen, but it would be funny (especially the McQueen one) (It would be funny to see Lightning McQueen try to type on a computer because he is a car!)

I suppose that something that Microsoft could also do is include more keys on the On-Screen Keybaord. The mains ones that I was thinking of are the other 12 function keys (F13 - F24) and perhaps some multimedia controls. The likeliness of that program being changed much are slim, but I would imagine that they are not impossible.

is this a knockoff of vista cause i know i well look at it and i am not going to pay a wack load of money again for something that does not work. i have run ubuntu and that os runs great windows need to make a simple program .leave all the other stuff that people does not use out of it

Many people seem to have pre-beta versions of windows 7 where could I get it.

@joe
If you would read you would know that Windows 7 performs much better than Vista. One of the things that speeds it up is the improved Desktop Window Manager which now uses less ram when a billion windows are open. For instance, on Windows 7 I opened up about 20 explorer windows and 12 Firefox windows and the amount of ram being used was only about 4% more than when I had only one window of each up.

@Andrei
I really shouldn't tell you were to get THE pre-beta. But I know this story about a PIRATE who went down to a BAY and found it there. Google it...

That is funny, Zero. Are you sure that you did not mean googol (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) it? LOL

xD

xD? Are you talking about xD picture cards? I am going to guess that you have a copy of Windows 7 on one. Perhaps the pirate's name is xD. That seems weird though. Perhaps his initials are XD.

you can it download from torrent i have now windows vienna/7
its works great!!!!

@Cyb X
You say i can install windows 7/Vista without need to install an Anti Virus software? If this i will try that. I've installed linux and my system is running without any viruses. I have installed Nero Burning Rom, Matlab, Acrobat Reader and money more usefull software on my linux. I want windows to run as the same. With its usefull softwares and without Virus nor Anti Virus.
Ok?

@Cyb X
I must add that if windows it self didn't run any unwanted softwares like Autorun viruses automatically I didn't run them by myself either. I just make sure that no CD-ROM or Flash disk can harm my system without any notice and fully scilently like it was in Xp.

Recently I got a chance to install Windows 7 Prebeta. I attempted to do the upgrade from Vista, but it didn't allow the me to continue through all the steps. I guess MS is still working on it. I only did this because of a program that I use for work.

So I went ahead and did a clean install after doing a system backup in case. The installation went smooth. I really like what MS did to the caculator, wordpad and paint. It was really nice to see the added changes to caculator and I love the ribbon in Wordpad and Paint.

The taskbar pictured on this site is what it is going to be like. Another tech site had a tool that disabled MS bluebadge that made certain hidden features come alive. I honestly think the tool bar is going to be a very nice addition. For those of us that have several open browser windows and word documents, it will make it a lot easier. Please do not judge based on the pictures. You should download and try the public beta when it is released either next month or early next year.


I honestly think it is poor manors to bash an operating system if you have never used it. The prebeta version of Windows 7 is very stable and UAC default setting makes it better for the end user then the settings Vista offers. I thank Microsoft for listening to its users when it came to UAC.

Don't know about you all ...

I have been using Windows XP Professional (properly PATCHED with updates) on five computers (four laptops, one desktop) of various generation for five years now. None of them had an anti-virus software or a spyware software.

I just use windows in built firewall and haven't even had a trojan/virus/malware. I did some intermittent virus/spyware scans on suggestions from my friends that I would be having them without my knowledge.

Obviously this does not means that I cannot get affected by viruses. I can. But the properly patched windows OS is not as vulnerable as it is made to sound by everyone.

Potential next month release, eh? That sounds interesting. I wonder if that is because people have started trying the pre-beta, liked it, and, therefore, Microsoft is leaning toward releasing the OS sooner than they had originally planned. In that case, perhaps the OS would be released in January or February of next year then (instead of the beta being released then). Something that would be nice though is Microsoft allowing a choice of voice with Narrator again. That is kind of nice. I wonder why they stopped doing that? Perhaps the people that had been recorded before did not to be rerecorded for the new operating systems (with Sam being the exception until Vista, in which Anna was recorded instead). Something that I thought of earlier today that would be nice also is this (It primarliy applies to Minesweeper.): Perhaps Microsoft could make Narrator announce the numbers underneath each cleared tile.

Why are people always bashing Vista? I have used it since it was in its beta releases and haven't had many issues with it. This Windows 7 looks like it will be a nice upgade for stability. Someone posted above that they have seen each Windows Operating system, and that they have only gotten worse. This just isn't true. I cant believe someone would actually make that kind of statement. I really wish Apple would quit with the commercials because people who havent even used Windows Vista claim that they "Hate" it, or that "It's so Buggy". People should actually use it and check out the new features before they go saying it sucks.

just 1 point!

MAC sucks!!! eom

Most people that say Vista's no good has been watching too many Mac commercials. That kind of propaganda should be illegal.
I've used Vista since it was in beta, and I've had zero problems with it.

Get of the crack pipe Macheads, Vista is where it's at.

I used Vista in it [I believe second] release candidate stage [and am still using it], and it is quite different than [and, an improvement to] XP. The Tablet PC Input Panel is fun to occasionally use, even though I do not have a tablet PC. Something that would have been nice is the including of a num pad on it. That is a drawback there [to the On-Screen Keyboard that is]. As for Apple, perhaps they should stick to the music business. They appear to have difficulty producing computer operating systems, so perhaps they should completely stop that business.

According to all the beta testers I've gotten a hold of, Windows 7 is extremely fast and very slick. Boots in about 20 seconds.

And if taht is with a HDD, then it probably boots in about 5 or 6 seconds with a solid state drive!

You know Caleb, Solid State drives are both a blessing and a curse. They have a faster random seek and read time, but have a slower continuous writing time. They find files very fast, but write really big ones slowly compared to standard Hard drives.

Also, current solid state drives are not as high of capacity, though they are coming. The highest that I have seen is 120GB.

Hi,

People, for once, all of you have to realize... windows is still the most flexible OS out there after unix. And the thing is, not many people can use unix because of the way it is, thus making windows by far, the most universally operable OS out there. The list of software and hardware that can run on a windows pc is endless, whereas for a mac you'd need just a few more fingers than those on your hands to count em all... The number of hardware devices that can be run on a pc are just too many to list out, SO WHAT if crashes?? to get that amount of flexibility, there are gonna be some compromises. Having worked as a software engineer myself, I do know what goes into making something like an OS, and moreover, what goes into testing such kind of software... testing something like an OS would easily more than two thirds of the time of building one, and given the number of combinations of hardware devices and software they're dealing with, you guys could easily do the math and find out the effort involved. steve is a good guy, fine.. he's brought out many good things to the world, like the ipod and the mac... but after you buy a friggin' mac, you know you're damn tied up... everything you stick into a mac has to be something from apple... no wonder there are no crashes or viruses... and to top it all, the damn price! who'd pay all that money to be tied to something you can't use to run shit?

Some people don't realize that even viruses depend on the OS if they work or not. Since Microsoft is more widespread than OS X/Macintosh, you see a lot of viruses that affect the Microsoft OS than any other OS.

By the way, the screenshots look cool, I think the Start Menu could use a little more gloss/transparency rather than just a stroke effect. Other than that, everything looks quite awesome. I have Windows Vista and I hope this uses less graphical memory than Vista but still retains its 'glosiness'.

Looking forward to getting it the first day it's out.

@Bharat, Despite the fact that I typically fall into the MS fanboy group, I have to say that there is no shortage of Mac OSX programs on the web. I'm running Mac OS as we speak on my Toshiba Satellite A-195, it runs fine (aside from a small sound card problem, the headphone jack doesn't work). Mac OS because of it's semi-open source code, could become more universal than Windows, although just the shear volume of the Windows user base most likely will keep that from ever happening.

Also I just read it
@Ario, you've obviously never used Vista well, it's a little thing called UAC that keeps autorun progams, viruses, etc from changing system files and altering anything that requires administrative privlages, including altering anything the C:\Program Files, and C:\Windows folders, that's those "user privileges" that you where going on about that "Linux" (although you conveniently left out what version you use, Debian? SuSE? Mandriva? Fedora? Help me out here) has (again not all versions of Linux use user privileges).

"And all you have done is to add a new effect to taskbar? Oh My God!"

Windows 7 has had an 80% rewrite of it's source code and kernel.

@Link48010
Windows 7 does NOT have an 80% rewrite of it's source code and kernel. In fact, most of the changes under the hood between Vista and Windows 7 are so minute that it is almost unnoticeable, except that Windows 7 is much faster.

"except that Windows 7 is much faster."

Which are the result of the code rewrites, I know what I'm talking about. Although I will admit it may not be 80%, I heard a "Majority rewrite" was in progress for Windows Vienna (before the official name of Windows 7).

@Link48010
Except that you don't know what your talking about. If you actually did research -recent research- you would know that Windows 7 is in now way a "Majority rewrite". It is a much smaller update than Vista and the actual difference between the two is comparable to the difference between Win2000 and WinXP.

Zero, it depends on what service pack of XP your talking about, many people say that XP SP1 and SP2 could have been considered completely different systems. That aside, I'm finished arguing with you.

@Link48010
What argument? You stated that Windows 7 was a major rewrite, I corrected you. That's all there was too it. While Windows 7 will be better than Vista, it is virtually identical to it. I think that you were either misinformed or were confusing it with the Singularity project/Midori Project. If you were confusing it with the latter it is probably because everyone keeps confusing MinWin with Singularity/Midori.

The problem I face hearing about how the Windows 7 Kernel is almost completely capable of running on it's own is that I suspect it requires a large amount of code rewrite. I've also heard that the system will be less dependent on the Registry. I've heard this from beta testers. Misinformed or not, the system is being changed and stripped down from Vista.

get a mac and enjoy new finder and fun, exciting extravagant software with snow leopard. with thousands of viruses and none for mac.

get a PC and suffer, though the exterior is pretty, the processor speeds are still slow and thus still vulnerable to viruses. so which do you choose this christmas season?
up to you though,
even though the exterior of the windows changes, all the lagginess, viruses never change...

as quoted, "144,000 viruses for PC, not even one for Mac OSX Leopard"

Maclover, your wrong about Mac not getting viruses. Granted, Windows may have more virus attacks, but if macs get as popular, then watch out.

Security Alert: SecureMac has discovered multiple variants of a new Trojan horse in the wild that affects Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5. AppleScript.THT Trojan Horse runs hidden on the system, and allows a malicious user complete remote access to the system, can transmit system and user passwords, and can avoid detection by opening ports in the firewall and turning off system logging. Additionally, the AppleScript.THT Trojan horse can log keystrokes, take pictures with the built-in Apple iSight camera, take screenshots, and turn on file sharing. The Trojan horse exploits a recently discovered vulnerability with the Apple Remote Desktop Agent, which allows it to run as root.

Also, OSX.Trojan.PokerStealer Trojan Horse

Here is a question though. Is there such a thing as a tablet Mac? That question is meaning other than something that I saw on www.oqo.com. I recently got a tablet PC and am enjoying it very much. I do not know that I see too many Mac ads with ones with touch screens or, how about this, built-in card or fingerprint readers! BTW, my tablet PC has both of those.
That Trojan thing sounds interesting. I had a Trojan on one of my computers, but I do not recall it doing all of that. Perhaps it did and I just did not notice it because it was behind the scenes. The Trojan was called Tesllar A. The Tesllar spelling may be incorrect, but I do not recall exactly how it was spelled.

At this time, there is no tablet PC but I am sure Apple is working on something.

Caleb, Trojans can act differently depending on how and what they are created to do. I only listed 2 examples to show that a Mac can get a virus.

At this time, there is no tablet PC but I am sure Apple is working on something.

Caleb, Trojans can act differently depending on how and what they are created to do. I only listed 2 examples to show that a Mac can get a virus.

I'm sure you've heard about how Mac OS can lose it's permissions really easily and takes... quite a while to rebuilt.

not to mention the shear volume of code in Mac OS, 80 *million* lines of coding, nearly twice as much as the original release of Vista (although it's up to about 60 now).

80,000,000 lines of code…Hmm, I suspect, though, that Windows (and possibly Office) is about that long when it is officially released as well, hence why its release takes so long.

Again like I said, Vista when it was released had 43 million lines of coding (don't quote me on that, it was somewhere in the 40s) and now with SP1 and all the updates etc it has 67 million lines of coding, by comparison Windows XP also had about 40 million lines of coding as well.

Again like I said, Vista when it was released had 43 million lines of coding (don't quote me on that, it was somewhere in the 40s) and now with SP1 and all the updates etc it has 67 million lines of coding, by comparison Windows XP also had about 40 million lines of coding as well.

Good news for you MacLover. As of November 21st, it looks like Mac OS X has a couple more viruses.

"Two pieces of malicious software affecting Apple's Mac OS X appeared this week: a Trojan horse with the ability to download and install malicious code of an attacker's choice, and a hacker tool for creating backdoors, according to security vendors."

Source: http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-251586.html?tag=nl.e550

That definitely sounds like one serious Trojan you mentioned there, Jason. I guess that is just one more reason to not get a Mac.

I'd like to stop sending me answers on this file, if not possible that I will report spam to the authorities.

If I am understanding you post correctly, Elger, it sounds like you no longer want to watch this topic. If such is the case, then you can uncheck the Subscribe me to future replies box. That may stop e-mails from coming regarding this topic.

ewww start background D:: vista start background is kewl black =)

Kewl, eh? That sounds kind of like the idea of Suudsu tasting G-E-W-D, gewd (http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail137.html).

well looks quite cool, but better than a mac, we'll see.

So I hear there is a beta version of the windows 7 and I am still using the old school pent 4 processor, Question is if I do download the leaked version of the windows 7 the 32 bit version obviously due to my processor, will it work? I have 512 of ddr ram and I would of bought more but on ebay the chips alone are 100 plus used for any kind of upgrade I would want to make on the ram... :( I did look at the imac today the 24 inch version and almost bought it, but yet to do so, still need more research before I take the leap over to the Mac world... I have had this computer since 2000, and works great til this day, of course I have had my viruses due to my downloading stupid files, but a quick simple back up and wiping it clean and reinstalling it took no time at all, so does anyone know the minimum specs for the beta windows 7? thank you!!

XPuser,
As of this time, the beta of Windows 7 has not been released. The prebeta has been released, but not recommended unless you get it from offical locations. I would recommend at least 1 gb ram. The The specs really have not been released as of this time.

You will want to make sure you have at least Vista drivers for your hardware.

I'd feel comfortable running Windows 7 on any PC that can run Vista. Less than that, eh, maybe a little laggy. I've heard from other testers that Windows 7 is considerably faster than Vista on the same hardware because of it's cleaned up code, but I still wouldn't install it on anything less than a 1.6 ghz dual core processor, 756 meg-1 Gig ram, and at least a 30 gig hdd and a 256 meg graphics card.

Here is to all you that talk sh*t on Vista about it crashes all the time I have been useing it for over 3 years and havent had a crash yet stop buying all thoughs sh*t computers and stop building sh*ty computers and you wont have that problem I built my own and have never had a problem yet pentium d 820 4gb of ocz pc2 6400 Foxconn p9657ab motherboard

What is OCZ? I would hazard to guess that it is neither of these. http://www.acronymfinder.com/OCZ.html

here is the link it is ram www.ocztechnology.com

Oh, I see

Can we download it for check .

is it just me or does the shutoff button in the start menu have horible contrast

Perhaps it does. Perhaps that picture is poorly drawn.

Love it! But I think that its just an enhancement or an innovation of the current OS - Vista...

"Here is to all you that talk sh*t on Vista about it crashes all the time I have been useing it for over 3 years"
@ronnydpeters, how'd you manage that? Vista's only been out since 2007 and the public beta's have only been out a few months before it's release date.

the beta has been out since 2005 have the disk if you would like to see and sorry i am the owner of a computer repair co. so i get thing alot faster then the public.

It strikes me as odd that ronnydpeters is, and I quote: "the owner of a computer repair co. so i get thing alot faster then the public", yet has horrible grammar and punctuation! Not least the fact that he doesn't know that it only takes one click to post a comment on this board!
On a lighter note, I received my first Official RC1 email Sept. 11, 2006. However, I was also using the pre-beta for almost 6 months before that!
reply-to Microsoft <20_45468_pB0J2kQFdDGJIAeyRS8W1A@newsletters.microsoft.com>
to mtimages@**********
date 11 September 2006 15:00
subject Windows Vista Release Candidate 1 is Now Available

Sorry for my horrible grammar and poor punctuation. I am use to texting, and my internet stalls out alot so I hit the submit a few times. City wireless is not any good here.

I had heard some bad things about Vista (and still do when I talk to some people about it), but I have personally had very few problems with it. Even some of the problems that I do have, I can find either workarounds for or alternative programs that accomplish the same task [but work with Vista].

I've had about the same experience as Caleb, most of the errors were user error on my part. Out of curiosity Ronny, are you CompTIA and HP certified? I am (and if your wondering if I'm bragging, yes I am).

Do you work at HP, Link48010? Are you one of their computer developers? Perhaps you do testing of computers after they are built.

OH, HP. You know that is the one major thing I'm not liking about Windows 7 at the moment! My printer, Officejet D145, has drivers built in on Vista. All of a sudden they are gone in 7. I'm not sure why. There is a work around by installing the driver for the Officejet Pro L7700 Series. This is a mixed bag of results. In Microsoft programs, it prints fine. In anything else, it wont print anything. It just spits out blank pages! Anyway, I'm dual booting vista anyway, and can print from there until it gets sorted out.

No I don't work at HP, I'm working for Vestas currently but I'm in the process of building my own series of computers (assuming I can get the prototype parts I need, Kingston has yet to reply to me). I got HP, Cisco, and CompTIA trained and certified though Job Corp a few years back.

So you are just trained to do the kind of work that HP does. That still sounds neat.

I got trained for my own future and the future of Commander OS, the operating system that several of my friends and I are designing to compete with Microsoft and Apple. We've taken our frustrations and our solutions and combined them into a true attempt and bringing the joy that was computing back to the normal End User by combinding features found in Mac OS, Windows, Linux distros, and Amiga OS. I know I sound like a walking infommercial but our OS is currently Unix based and we're currently working on drivers and universability with other systems.

Visit my web site at http://expressions.sharepointsite.net/

I'm a mod on one of my other sites, a forums, if I saw someone like you Eric, you'd already be banned and your comments deleted. Stop spamming.

give me windows vista

No entiendo ni madres de lo que dicen, pero igual esta chido windows Vienna

Yea, I admit - Windows 7 is WAYYY better than stupid mac os

What language do you speak, YO, just out of curiosity. It does not look like your typical American English. It looks like it is probably either Spanish or French.

If I'm not mistaken it's portagese.

YOU Said in Spanish: I do not understand nor owners than they are, but equal to this shit, Vienna Windows.

That is a strange post you made there, CybX. I certainly do not understand it. Note that I did not use the phrase that you and many people would have likely used, aka [excuse this] "sure as hell.") I avoid that type of language.

vista rules

Vista is nice indeed. From what I have seen and read, Windows 7 looks like it is probably at least as good, if not better than, Vista.

i agree, they had some time to fix lots of bugs and improve it in many ways

That's what YO said.
I automatically typed YOU by accident.

From looking through this comment board, i can see that there are very mixed opinions of the mac/windows/linux debate and i though that i would give my view on the matter.

From an early age i have used windows, from windows 3.1 right up to Vista, an by the weekend, i hope to be using Windows 7. As a computer enthusiast i am willing to try anything that someone has spent time on to make everyones computer experience better. From looking at the screenshots and some of the features that have been included in Windows 7 i believe this might be the OS to save Microsoft.

As for the OS debate, i believe that all operating systems have a purpose, the mac domain i believe is mainly for a simple experience that you can have from as soon as you get it out of the box, as i have a Mac Pro i have had no viruses or problems relating to security, the only thing that makes macs better for bugs is that only programs freeze and not the actual operating system. Mac has some nice and tidy features, but if you think about it Microsoft has not copied Apple, because the ideas that Apple have, do not belong to Apple anyway. Most of the designs that either company say they invented are originally made by the normal people like ourselves who like making programs for computers, Apple and Microsoft just say they created them to include them in the OS. Apples are extremely good for graphic design and video editing, the reason that people quote that apples run better than windows is an urban myth because apple only has to create its software for the computers that apple make which is minute in comparison to Microsoft. Microsoft has to accomodate thousands of devices because there are so many companies making computer equipment for Windows. therefore the windows OS might run slower because of the device support that it contains.

On the other hand Windows is an extremely good operating system, i can't say too much about 3.1 to 2000 because i hated the visuals, but i suppose they were only the start of what is yet to come. Windows is brilliant if you want to be able to tweak every single thing you could possibly wish for, gaming on Windows i have to admit is far superior than gaming on mac, but i believe all operating systems have their uses.

I cannot say anything on Linux as i have never had the pleasure of testing it

I have read a few comments picking at Bill Gates, i believe that we should admire him because if he hadn't started Microsoft, we probably wouldn't have the internet or computers as we see them today, thats including that we wouldn't have apple because Microsoft and Apple have helped each other inadvertantly along the way. I think that people should admire Bill Gates for what he 'did' because he hasn't been the person that makes decisions at microsoft for years.

Also with regard to comments of viruses, i think the possible cause of people getting viruses is because of their plain ignorance, if you are dumb enough to click on one of the adds offering free stuff, or click on the link saying that you have a virus on your computer you might as well be swimming with sharks, with regard to viruses from looking at porn etc i think that you need to get a life and get away from that side of the internet and find yourself a girlfriend, or for people who are married you need to think about what you've got rather than watching pieces of silicon wander about naked.

Sorry about the long post, just thought i would have my say! xD

PS: With regards to swearing, theres a time and place, a simple discussion board is not the place, people don't deserve it if they want to have a civilised debate.

CYA xD

I agree with most, if not all, of what Will says. Accept this, you can get a virus from being anywhere on the internet, even MSN.

I suspect that Microsoft tries their very hardest to not send people viruses, but I am sure that it is not impossible that a virus could infect one of their servers without their knowledge (since they probably have thousands of them] and therefore, a file can be downloaded from them and it contains a virus.

Many people look at the internet wrong, I believe "a series of tubes" was recently stated. It's not, it's a series of relay switches, every ISP relays data between one another when someone requests a web page. When you request windowsvienna.com, it's most likely bounced between several hundred servers to get to you, the time and opportunity to get a virus on the page between the actual host server and your computer is ample. HTML and Jave Script can contain viruses, this is the reason I use NoScript with Firefox. Spyware, what spyware? That along with Avira AntiVir's 96% detection rate and UAC at it's max with a Router based firewall gives me a near impregnable defense against malware.

in reply to Link48010 yes i have lots of friends who currently have the msn virus which sends that persons contact list messages which include zip files of viruses, so yes i will accept that point. But i still believe being careful on the internet helps too.

"But i still believe being careful on the internet helps too."

I agree, some areas have a much higher risk than others, by my point stands that all areas have a risk.

I agree, just out of interest what anti-virus do you use?

Avira Antivir or Norton 08 (08 on Vista as it doesn't work on Windows 7).

Oh right, don't you find that Norton slows the computer down regardless of its spec?

To Link48010 any any other people who are interested in having a good chinwag on msn about computers, please add me on msn williambeeching@hotmail.com

I don't understand why all these sites keep mentioning putting gadgets directly on the desktop like its a new idea. You can always do that on vista, but the sidebar just makes it easier to organize them. Also, for people who thought vista was ripping off parts of mac osx, now just look at the new taskbar. Icons instead of names? And being able to see pinned applications as well as open ones. Its a similar idea in uglier packaging. I will always prefer windows and think its fantastic that microsoft is making vista perform better, but it seems like most of what they are doing is making slight tweaks and making people think that a lot has changed. Vista was not evil but if you thought that it was, odds are, 7 won't change much for you.

It olny looks like a Mac people!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

Hmm, when I read that post there, steveballmer, the "fake" thing makes more sense. Yep, that is a good assessment. In fact, one time I downloaded and installed a theme that made my computer (booted in XP) (It is a desktop with XP and Vista on it.) (italicized)look like (end italicization) (italicization? Weird) Mac OS tiger.

thats true, by the fact that macs cost over 1000' dollars and over, in the other hand pc"s cost ovr 400' dollars compare that to a mac plus in this economic stress people are less to buy a mac,

i had many boot problems with vista i hope windows 7 will be peace for me

how do i get windows 7 show me bill gates or i will kill u

windows gadgets are googd for geeks

I suspect with a threat like that, Bill Gates would possibly have you imprisoned first, yusef.

hi
how do i get windows 7
please let me rty it
thank you

As I'm aware, Microsoft is no longer giving out downloads/CD Keys to users.

I was unaware of that. Thanks, Link48010 (even though I already have it on my computer).

I was slightly wrong, Microsoft should re continue distributing newer versions of the Windows 7 beta, but they have stopped distributing CD Keys, so unless you can find an illegal crack somewhere, there are no more versions.

I suppose that the cracks would probably be in torrent format and might be viral anyway, so it would not be worth the time and effort.

Most torrents typically are clean, if not it's usually painfully obvious. And in the event that it does activate Win 7 permanently instead of till August 09 like mine, it would be well worth the time and effort imo.

hi guys. Why not Apple come out with OS-10 beta version for the PC world instead of only for the Mac, just to test the waters so to speak. This will decide the debate once and for all whether its really the OS or platform users that matters. Linux runs well on PCs and so will Apple's OS-10 if ever it comes out for PC's.They are both Unix based right?

Mac OS can already sort of work on a PC, the OSx86 project is proof. Leopard and Snow Leopard, the next version of Mac OS, are both built from the ground up for Intel processors and can all but install native (aside from the need of a boot loader).

I believe the word you wanted there is Unix, not Linux. As for the statement itself, I believe that is correct. As for Link48010's comment, I suspect, however, that Mac OS would neither:
1. Run as efficiently as Windows, nor
2. Accept touch input (via either a pen or a finger)
In addition, it probably calls use of fingerprint readers cheating and not exerciseful enough LOL! Exerciseful looks weird.

Mac OS lacks touch screen drivers. It runs fine on my Toshiba minus a little bug with my sound card. It plows along fine using about 500 megs of RAM like Vista or Win 7. Mac OS really is a well designed piece of software at it's core and very efficient, the UI just doesn't do anything for me.

I'v got windows 7.. and the desktop and the SuperBar doesnt look like dat at all/.... LOL

1. I am just curious, is SuperBar just another name for the taskbar?
2. What doesn't your desktop look like? A laptop? LOL (That was intended to be a joke.) It should have a fish for the desktop wallpaper (or whatever you used on Vista) (though I am not sure about Vista's default wallpapers, as I do not use them.) and a translucent taskbar with no labels, only icons.

Yes the Superbar is the name for the redesigned taskbar.

OK, thanks

win 7 is just been developted and its better than stupid xp

win 7 is just been developted and its better than stupid xp

I am presuming that all five of that message is in regard to the recently released release candidate.

Here my opinion plain and simple:

Xp fast,light and efficient
Vista eyes candy,need lot of ressource and lot of compatibility issue and bug

Windows 7 Best of both world with an awesome interface.
And it still in beta phase :) When fully releashed it will pawn.

Here my opinion plain and simple:

Xp fast,light and efficient
Vista eyes candy,need lot of ressource and lot of compatibility issue and bug

Windows 7 Best of both world with an awesome interface.
And it still in beta phase :) When fully releashed it will pawn.

Sorry for Double post ;)

I disagree with that ben. Windows 7 is built on the same core as Vista. If a program doesn't work with Vista it most likely will not work with 7. The interface is just more candy, just like Vista.
I'm not saying there isn't a great improvement from Vista to 7. I think its much more the fact that Vista received (and deserved!) a bad reputation when released and therefore most people will perceive more value just because its not Vista. People that think 7 is so much better than Vista really should give Vista a try. After SP1 it really is better, and very similar to 7, minus the slick new interface.
P.S. Don't be an idiot and go buy Vista now!! Just wait for 7. But for those customers that don't like getting a new OP as soon as its released, Vista is the thing to try, finally.

I've used both Vista and Windows 7 since beta 1 (and now the RC), and I have to respectfully disagree with Acme033, Win7 is several times faster and at least 20% lighter on resources, and boots in no time flat.

Acmee033

Did you actually test windows 7 ?

I'm testing Built 7100 and its way faster,
Why ? Windows 7 as an optimised windows vista core.
And the interface is way less dirty then vista or xp,
Easier to keep deskptop or taskbar clean.
I can already see a difference in compatibility too.
And booting did improve.

IF you want screenshot let me know ^ ^

Thank you ben for the offer to send me a screenshot. I don't think i need one. Ive been testing windows systems since windows 3.0. I'm currently running Windows 7 on all 3 of my own systems, my mothers, and 4 of my friends systems. While I cant recall the specific sources for the comments I stated earlier, most of what I said can be confirmed with a scan of Wikipedia. I shall paraphrase now:
1. I said : "Windows 7 is built on the same core as Vista"
Wiki says: "Speaking about Windows 7 on October 16, 2008, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer confirmed compatibility between Vista and Windows 7,[28] indicating that Windows 7 will be a refined version of Windows Vista."

It sounds like we both said the same thing. Maybe you didn't read my post? By the way Wiki says "According to a performance test by ZDNet, Windows 7 Beta has beaten both Windows XP and Vista in several key areas, including boot and shut down time, working with files and loading documents; others, including PC Pro benchmarks for typical office activities and video-editing, remain identical to Vista and slower than XP.
So that means that it boots faster, shuts down faster, but most office and video tasks are the same as Vista and slower than Xp.
At any rate the point I was making really has nothing to do with what we are talking about. My point is that most people with think it is better, simply because it is not Vista. Oh and, again quoting Wiki "Unlike its predecessor, Windows 7 is intended to be an incremental upgrade to the Windows line, with the goal of being compatible with applications and hardware with which Windows Vista is already compatible."

Anyway, I hope that clears up what I was talking about.

From what I just read, it sounds like you must have some fondness for Windows 7, Acme033 because I would suspect that you probably would not have installed it on that many systems if you didn't.

I never said I didn't like Windows 7! In fact, I think I said "I'm not saying there isn't a great improvement from Vista to 7". I love Windows 7, its great, and much more stable than Vista when it came out. I also said Vista with SP1 is pretty good too, and it does in fact make-up about 90% of the core of Windows 7. That in fact was one of my original points, that Vista w/sp1 is nearly the same core as Windows 7. Anyway, I'm hungry! Taco Bell to the rescue!!

I have touble taking a guy who eats Taco Bell seriously, but to each his own I guess. Yes they are from the same core, but Windows 7 treats services completely different than Vista does. It makes it around 20% faster than vista with standard operations, it also has almost a completely rewritten explorer.exe (which imo was long overdue, should have been rewritten under XP) which makes file operations several percent faster (and if file operations are faster, the entire OS moves snappier, loading and preloading files, navagating the menu's (context and start menu), the Aero Peek, all of the above).

Something that would be nice to see is the tabbed interface implemented into Windows Explorer. That would make navigation easier yet!

Doesn't Aero Peek and the Super Bar kind of give you the same UI Caleb?

I gues that in a sense it does, but you still have to open multiple windows to navigate sometimes. That can be quite annoying if you would [for whatever reason] need to open many [primarily three or more] instances of the window. The tabbed interface would help that because you could have multiple tabs open and activated by Control-Tab [or Control-Shift-Tab] or Control and a number. I do not believe that you can do that with multiple windows open. I am not sure if I am quite getting out what I am trying to say with this post.

Are you looking something more like what the split window in Explorer was? I remember the split tree at the top and another one at the bottom. Then you could drag and drop things much easier. Im not sure if tabs would give you that much more control.

How can I get the 3-d based chess game as a single down load? I have it on a windows vista. I bought it new and I want it for a older computer also. I am referring to the game put on new operating
Microsoft systems. Does Microsoft sell any games on DVD in addition
to what it puts on Operating systems? I like to play more games off line.

How can I get the 3-d based chess game as a single down load? I have it on a windows vista. I bought it new and I want it for a older computer also. I am referring to the game put on new operating
Microsoft systems. Does Microsoft sell any games on DVD in addition
to what it puts on Operating systems? I like to play more games off line.

Windows Vista and Windows 7 are preloaded with a game called Chess Titans. It is not an online game, however. Perhaps you are referring to Internet Chess. I do not believe Vista offers the Internet games and I am not sure if Windows 7 offers Internet Chess since it has Chess Titans. You can correct me if I am wrong on either or both of those accounts.

To all hater here what i think:

A good product id a product who respond to your need .
Something can eb bad for one and awesome for another end of story.

Mac osx and windows 7 are different thats all.

Stop comparing pointless.