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N-trig has released the first pre-beta drivers that enable current hardware to take advantage of Windows 7′s multitouch capabilities.
billy · March 11, 2013 at 10:32 am
I have zero use for this. What I want to know is how will it handle World at War? he he. I hope they make a “touch” edition so we don’t have all these touchy resources running in the BG. I’ll save my touching for later…
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nidheesh chandran · March 11, 2013 at 10:32 am
another buggy windows with no needed features..
MF3 · March 11, 2013 at 10:32 am
really buggy, useless.. I hate Microsoft
thomas · March 11, 2013 at 10:33 am
I believe it is not working properly because the display is not 100 percent compatible. I can imagine that this feature will be very helpful only if you have a 42 inch display where you can play with your fingers around.
marin · March 11, 2013 at 10:33 am
just because you dont need these features doesnt mean others dont. if you dont like i dont buy it, there are plenty of other options. im sure microsoft hates you too just kidding
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:34 am
This man don’t know how to use this multitouch function…
but good system
M.Y aacoubi · March 11, 2013 at 10:34 am
Why are you kidding I’m sure Microsoft hates all the people but they want the people to by their systems…^^
I love Windows 7
a combination of windows 7 and microsoft surface will be perfect^^
jojo · March 11, 2013 at 10:35 am
this guy seems to be a gay, with his fucking voice…
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:35 am
What this system could use as i see it here is the same feature built into the new Zune pad, not only touch sensitivity but more speed sensitivity for the zoom especially.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:35 am
That’s it! ^^
But I think the very best technology will still be Microsoft Surface.
P.S.: Mansour and M.Yaacoubi is me^^ sry
Of course Surface would work better, it’s been designed from the ground up for touch, and it doesn’t use preasure sensers either, it uses hundreds of tiny little digital cameras.
Mudslung · March 11, 2013 at 10:36 am
The Best comment here was by jojo… OMG thats some funny shit!
This is some friggin goofy crap. Touch screens are good for CNC and Manufacturing operations, NOT home users. It takes this fruit cake three times the amount of time to do what a mouse could have done in a second!
“Hay honey give me a hand over here… I need one more finger to resize this damb picture” LMFAO
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:36 am
now your comment is the best ^^
but I think in the future (2010 or 2015) the touch technology will also be used at home
but actually surface has only 4-5 infrared cameras ^^
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:36 am
Hmm, now that I think about it, it was Infared cameras, thanks Mansour, my mistake. Something that was touch sensitive like the HP touchsmart never could do everything that surface does, such as wireless sync with the Zune, like all you do is set the zune on top of the surface and you can drag/drop music on and off the surface and use all your playlists and everything.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:37 am
true and I don’t know why but I love this function…
Mudslung · March 11, 2013 at 10:37 am
I can see using it someday, once it has been refined and polished. Sort of like Windows… NOT! LOL
It would be interesting to be able to Tumble and zoom a part in 3d using my beloved SolidWorks. Although I am quite happy with my Space Navigator. I think rubbing my fingers all over the screen would only Hinder my design process.
Not familiar with the “surface” infared system you guys mentioned, but I will do some investigating. I aleays like to learn new Technology.
Thanks again, glad my Goofy comment made someone laugh. Thats all that matters.
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:37 am
Basically the surface is the mother of multitouch computers, it’s basically a giant table that can internet browse, connect to wireless and bluetooth devices, organize pictures, all kinds of things.
Mudslung · March 11, 2013 at 10:38 am
Now that is absolutely COOL as hell… heres a link to a video from PopularMechanics on this surface Display if anyone wants to check it out. I am surprised I havn’t heard of this sooner as it has been around since 07.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:38 am
well, the idea of surface computing is pretty old
it began in an university in toronto in 1982.
the first prototype was made of an IKEA table.^^
I also held a presentation about MS Surface last week.
Here’s the Surface-Website URL: http://www.surface.com
Here’s my YouTube Blog: http://www.youtube.com/MansourGS
abbas · March 11, 2013 at 10:39 am
I love Windows 7 the very best technology will still be Microsoft Surface
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:39 am
i think we all understood
yeah, i also love surface more than windows se7en
i tried windows se7en a long time ago
(you know, this build 6…)
for me it seemed just like an vista update like the most of the people said
they just changed something at the Notification Area
(i tried this system as a virtual machine)
at the chip-website i saw a video where the new system were presented
the whole taskbar was changed (the color, the hight, the size of the symbols in the quick launch bar)
what’s true now?
thanks for every reply
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:39 am
The new taskbar dubbed the “superbar” was a feature in the build 6108, although it was locked to everyone but developers and trusted partners (without a registry hack). People who get their hands on the build won’t have the Superbar and instead will have what looks like the Vista taskbar with some slight tweaks until they get the registry hack tools and enable the bar for themselves, so technically both of what you’ve seen are real.
Mudslung · March 11, 2013 at 10:40 am
So what they are calling the “Superbar” is nothing more than the Re-designed Taskbar? I’m using build 6956 and have the new Taskbar, how do I know if it’s the “Superbar” or not? I’ve got to be honest, after the “Horiffic” Vista experience this new Windows is REALLY nice. Not even a Beta and yet more Stable than Vista, and Some really cool features!
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:40 am
I honestly think that Vista was pretty good (Crucifixion coming from Apple guys in 5…4…3…2…)
If you want to know if it’s the superbar, is it much thicker and is the orb in the middle of the bar, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0sB9U7RL8
(if you can’t see it click the HD version at the bottom right of hte video).
Dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:40 am
wow thats realy sh*t! they could learn a few things from apple
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:41 am
@Dan, typically Apple is the ones that learn things from Microsoft. Instant Search, Aero, and a multitude of other things.
Dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:41 am
But everything about windows is so clunky and backward… Don’t get me wrong I used and loved PC for over a decade but within a week of using a mac I never looked back. Yes i agree maybe there’s give and take both ways between the companies but Apple just have a knack for getting it right! I will say though for balance, that Microsoft Surface is amazing, I don’t get why some Microsoft products, like Surface stand out yet their operating system is falling into the dark ages of computing as far as I’m concerned. We’ll see how Windows 7 turns out but this multi-touch demonstration is cringeworthingly, shockingly, nauseatingly bad!
You have to remember that this demo is far from fair, it is pre-beta build 6108, the current pre-beta build is 7000, I repeat *pre*-beta, they are never known for being fast or stable, and yet Win 7 is already an average 7% faster in start up over Vista. And honestly I think Windows has a much more refined UI, with Mac when you click a dock icon to bring a window to the front, it’s like playing a scratch lottery ticket, you know it’s there but you never know which window will pop up, like say you have multiple Safari or FireFox windows open, you click the dock item, and the windows will randomly jump to the front, instead I have to pull out my keyboard and use the F9 key for Expose, which in the dark isn’t fun. You just have to click and hope it works. Spotlight within a finder window is by far not as good as Instant Search. If you type in a Spotlight bar in say, your home folder, it searches the *entire* mac, with Instant search and your inside your user file, and you search, it searches just the user folder. The Start button/taskbar has also been called far more user friendly than Mac OS, in fact some of Mac OS 9′s developers say that Mac OS X has been a step down in user friendliness. There are *many* more examples as well, like how Finder organizes file icons, it’s nowhere near as automatic because it doesn’t have a Gird that it automatically aligns icons to, when you align to name it doesn’t also preserve the type order (like in Windows, all the folders are at the top and the files further down in alphabetical order). Finder is also harder to navigate with if you ask me. Mac OS X also has constant problems with losing it’s permissions with files in some way, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve sat there and let Disk Utility run for an hour rebuilding them. Defraging in Windows takes far less times and if you use a really good defrag program like Speed Disk, you only need it once every few months. All the fancy effects of Mac OS make videos play like crap if you happen to have one program open at a time, say your playing an anime episodes (like I do, some can be 200 megs easy) in QuickTime and you have firefox open in the background, the video simply will *not* play smoothly. I’m not saying Mac OS is bad, but I’m a realist, they both have their own problems. Windows and Microsoft is kind of like George W Bush, he’s just popular to make fun of, republican or democrat.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:42 am
First, I’m happy that there’s always something to discuss
Second, 2 weeks ago I was searching for the Windows Se7en Build 7000.
I was happy when I find a torrent (there where over 4,000 seeders!!!)
The download was fast, very fast, so I’ve downloaded 2.43 GB in just an hour. Then I installed it in VMWare as a virtual machine.
It took long with 2 GB Memory. After the installation finished I changed the memory from 2 GB into 4 GB, so my PC got slow but it worked. It looks good and well it was like in the Chip-Video.
The taskbar or “superbar” was blue and thick and when I clicked on a symbol it shows me first all the windows in a smaller preview and then when I clicked on this preview the window opened.
When I saw that I was very surprised. First I thought it would be faster, that’s the negative thing I realized.
But like Link48010 said it’s just a Pre-Beta Build.^^
I read the discussion of Dan and Link48010 and I don’t want to say something about it. ^^
But it’s interesting to read discussions like that.
My opinion is that the system of Mac is shit (sry to everbody who likes it ) but the style of the computer is very good.
Linux is very good because of the Opensource and that it’s free.
However Windows is good because I worked on it since I began to work on computers. So I got accustomed to it.
Fazit: Mac’s Computer-Style is very good, its system is shit.
Linux is good because of the OpenSource.
Windows is good because of the features and the style of
If you have other reasons or you think that’s not right what I’ve written post here in and discuss.
dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:43 am
I think really, it boils down to what you want from your computer. I prefer mac because I’m a graphic and web designer and find the system much more streamlined and things like expose and quickview and the fact that everything is constantly backed up to my time capsule wirelessly – things like that for my profession are perfect. I still have a PC so i don’t want you to think I hate them, I use my PC mainly as my TV as it’s media centre, and i record stuff to the hard drive so it’s fine for that, but that’s all i use it for since i got a macbook. In response to Link48010′s comment on the unpredicability of applications with multiple windows, I can’t say I’ve ever had that problem, maybe it has been refined in the version of osx leaopard i have, and also, expose is activated with a simple swoosh of 4fingers on my trackpad so no need for F9. If you have a mac desktop with a mighty mouse you’ll also know expose works with a click on the special mouse button. I didn’t even realise F9 did anything but it just shows you how different people have different experiences with a new os as they have a different way of doing something. Icons aligning to a grid, is like windows an option you can turn on or off, perhaps it’s just because with windows it’s default is on and mac default is off, but you can change it. With the point on videos playing roughly while other apps are open, I’ve not experienced this, but i do have a new machine so fair enough if this was a problem on low spec macs, i can’t really say. Mansour, I don’t think you can say mac system is shit lol I mean, ok you don’t like it but that’s a bit harsh, I wouldn’t say Vista was shit, I didn’t enjoy wrestling with it on the day I had to use it but I wouldn’t say it was shit. I realise I am in a Windows Forum but cummon be fair lol!
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:43 am
One comment can make everything calm here:
It’s a matter of taste ^^
(I’m not sure if that’s good english )
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:43 am
“maybe it has been refined in the version of osx leaopard i have”
I do have the newest version of Mac OS 10.5.5 on my Toshiba, I don’t however have the 4 finger swooth thing as my computer isn’t an apple. I don’t talk down on Mac OS, it has a lot going for it, but so does every system like Mansour said, it’s a matter of taste. And again remember what I said, Win 7 is still a pre-beta and is about a year or so from being finished, it’s far too early to judge it. I promise you the system will most likely be far smoother and far more sable than Vista (although I’ve never had Vista crash on me at all, nor have I had it glitch out unless it was my fault). My Toshiba that has video issues has a 1.76 dual core P4 processor, 1 gig RAM, and a 60 gig HDD partition, it’s not a top notch machine but you’d think it would be able to browse the web while playing a video, correct? This is my proof that Mac OS isn’t all that light on the system either.
dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:44 am
You’re running mac osx on a non apple product?! Sacrilegious! Right, I’m telling Steve lol
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:44 am
See, that right there is the problem I have with Apple product users, they get stuck in this impenetrable little bubble where “Apple can do no wrong”.
I wouldn’t say it’s impenetrable. If Apple really pissed me off for some reason I’d turn against them, just like PC World – I wont shop there anymore because I brought back some 2 day old desktop speakers that were rattling and when I asked for my money back they looked at me like I’d just asked if I can shit on their faces. They made me stand there for over half an hour while they tested them, then rang the manufacturer.. i stepped in by ringing trading standards right there in the shop and passed them onto the nerdy shop assistant.
In comparison, I bought a white plastic macbook and 2 weeks later Apple unveiled their new aluminium cased macbooks – same price as what I’d paid and double spec – I was FURIOUS! I took it to my local Apple store, all geared up for an argument and the bloke was so understanding and pleasant, he took my 2 week old one which was a bit grubby (I’m not good at looking after things) put it in a returns box and handed me a new aluminium one and I’ve never experienced any problems with it, not one, I use it almost every day too.
So, you’re right, I don’t think Apple can do any wrong, the one time I actually hated them they were so good to me and speedy and efficient I came out the store liking them even more! Their support and customer service is the best I’ve ever experienced in a a high street retailer.
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:45 am
I should introduce you to a member on another forums, he had a MacBook Pro and the screen got broken (it was protected under the warrenty he had) and Apple refused to fix it no matter what, in the end he bought an screen and put it in himself. No company is perfect.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:45 am
because of the fact that this here is something like a windows se7en forum^^ I’ll want to discuss about news of vienna (I hate this codename ) :
Did you know something about the bugs in se7en?
I haven’t known it but when I read it I tried this out…
They said the Media Player of Windows Se7en Build 7000 destroys every MP3 sound file which has MetaTags or Titles etc. after playing it once.
I tried this out in my VMWare and it was true. After I listened to the Music one time I couldn’t replay it. Windows shows me an error window.
Now the topic to discuss: What do you think why this happens and how could the media player go into the core of the music file?
Please tell me about other bugs you found or heared of.
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:46 am
“After I listened to the Music one time I couldn’t replay it. Windows shows me an error window.”
I haven’t gotten word on many bugs, as far as WMP it sounds like it’s trying to rewrite the metatags for some reason. Most likely a bad DRM issue.
dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:46 am
Or just, get a mac. iTunes never screws with my music files.
Apple have just released videos of their new iLife suite. If you’re on Windows still using Windows Movie Maker and the picture viewer check these out, it’ll blow your mind!
Zune 3.0 has been received higher than iTunes 8 on CNET. That and Zune being built on native coding is also much faster especially if you turn off UI effects.
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
Zune 3.0 has been received higher by users (which is the one that really matters) than iTunes 8 on CNET.
Zune 3.0 http://reviews.cnet.com/music-and-recording/zune-3-0/4505-3669_7-33310114.html?tag=mncol;lst
iTunes 8 http://reviews.cnet.com/music-and-recording/apple-itunes-8/4505-3669_7-33248682.html
“No other jukebox application does a better job than Zune when it comes to providing a clean and uncluttered layout for your media collection.”
That and Zune being built on native coding is also much faster especially if you turn off UI effects. I’m hoping that in order to increase support for the Zune software/device, MS will do a little more with it in Windows 7.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
Sorry Dan, but your wrong here.
You’re always writting about your f****** Mac!
If you want to discuss about Mac you’ve to go to a Mac-Forum.
I wanted to know something about the bugs and something about win7 and I wanted to get answeres like these from Link48010 and not what application is better on Mac.
dan · March 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
Mudslung · March 11, 2013 at 10:48 am
All I want to know is how can I QUIT getting emails every time someone leaves a message on here? I’ve taken the check out of the box (Subscribe me to future replies) Yet I continue to get them?
Do you guys/gals’s have any suggestions?
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:48 am
Mark them as spam?
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:48 am
sry if i were a little bit to hard.^^
i also searched everywhere about the wmp bug but i havent found anything about it.
I think microsoft will take out a new pre-beta build with less bugs.
@Mudslung: I’ve also this problem
i had written sometimes some comments in here and I forgot to remove the tick on “Subscribe me….”.
Now, when someone writes one thing in here I get one thousand emails. That’s a real shit!^^
john · March 11, 2013 at 10:49 am
arent you suposed to rotate both fingers when youre trying to rotate something
Link48010 · March 11, 2013 at 10:49 am
“i had written sometimes some comments in here and I forgot to remove the tick on “Subscribe me….”.
Now, when someone writes one thing in here I get one thousand emails. That’s a real shit!^^”
ranzky · March 11, 2013 at 10:49 am
my dream is to became a president of microsoft com.
Mansour · March 11, 2013 at 10:50 am
Mansour is back…
I was in CeBIT in Hannover.
That’s in Germany.
There I touched Microsoft Surface.(Dream become to true!)
I was so happy to see it.
There was also a presentation about Windows 7.
It was a dream-world.
Was anybody else there?
Pff · March 11, 2013 at 10:50 am
This video is a fake
Why do you think that this video is a fake?
This video is true.
Even if the taskbar is like the one from vista. The first pre-beta build had only the one change in the notification area.
So, fazit: The video isn’t a fake.
sumit jha · March 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
thanks microsoft for provide good tecno.
ranzky · March 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
window 7 iloved it……..
Mansour Yaacoubi · March 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
I got my original and LEGAL^^ Windows 7 Professional DVD.
AND I LOVE IT!!!
buy it dude, everyone of you…^^
crap · March 11, 2013 at 10:52 am
crap .. my touchpad scrolling on vista dies all the time .. it never dies on linux .. i hate not having to use the scroll feature … its sad …
Mansour Yaacoubi · March 11, 2013 at 10:52 am
@crap: I know that it’s been a long time ago you had this problem but I will tell you why it doesn’t work on vista.
Try to search your mousepad-driver and install that. On Win7 you get your mousepad-driver as an Windows Update. If you have a HP Notebook the driver is called Synaptics.
Otherwise if you got problems tell your problems in a forum.
This is the wrong place.
@all Win7-Users: Do you also need to Start WinXPMode to start the XP Application?
Cause thats crap.
the VM is so lame.
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